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Probabilistic construction of some extremal $p$-groups

Group Theory 2025-06-26 v2

Abstract

A pp-group GG is called *ab-maximal* if H:H<G:G|H : H'| < |G:G'| for every proper subgroup HH of GG. Similarly, GG is called *dd-maximal* if d(H)<d(G)d(H) < d(G) for every proper subgroup HH of GG, where d(H)d(H) is the minimal number of generators of HH. If GG is ab-maximal then G:Gp3G|G:G'| \ge p^3 |G'|, while if GG is dd-maximal and p2p \ne 2 then G:Gp2G|G:G'| \ge p^2 |G'|. Answering questions of Gonz\'alez-S\'anchez--Klopsch and Lisi--Sabatini, for all pp we construct infinitely many ab-maximal pp-groups of class 22 with G:G=p3G|G:G'| = p^3 |G'|, and infinitely many dd-maximal pp-groups of class 22 with G:G=p2G|G:G'| = p^2 |G'|. The construction is probabilistic and based on the degeneracy of random alternating bilinear maps on subspaces. It is notable however that in the ab-maximal case we do not have a high-probability result but rather in a suitable sense the proportion of class-22 groups with G:G=pn|G:G'| = p^n and G=pn3|G'| = p^{n-3} that are ab-maximal is close to 1/e1/e.

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@article{arxiv.2502.05821,
  title  = {Probabilistic construction of some extremal $p$-groups},
  author = {Sean Eberhard and Luca Sabatini},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:2502.05821},
  year   = {2025}
}

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15 pp. To appear in J. Algebra

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