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Optimizers are crucial for the efficient training of Large Language Models (LLMs). While AdamW is the de facto standard, recent structure-aware optimizers like Muon have emerged, which regularize gradient updates by operating on entire…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2025-10-07 Zehua Liu , Han Wu , Xiaojin Fu , Shuqi Liu , Xiongwei Han , Tao Zhong , Mingxuan Yuan

Optimizers play an important role in both pretraining and finetuning stages when training large language models (LLMs). In this paper, we present an observation that full finetuning with the same optimizer as in pretraining achieves a…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-05-08 Yuxing Liu , Jianyu Wang , Tong Zhang

Scaling laws have made language-model performance predictable from model size, data, and compute, but they typically treat the optimizer as a fixed training detail. We show that this assumption misses a fundamental axis of representation…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-05-22 Nandan Kumar Jha , Brandon Reagen

Training large language models requires optimization algorithms that are not only statistically effective, but also computationally and memory efficient at extreme scale. Although Adam remains the dominant optimizer for large-scale…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-05-12 Aditya Ranganath

While large language models (LLMs) have emerged as a significant advancement in artificial intelligence, the hardware and computational costs for training LLMs are also significantly burdensome. Among the state-of-the-art optimizers, AdamW…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-02-02 Yufei Gu , Zeke Xie

This paper investigates the impact of different optimizers on the grokking phenomenon, where models exhibit delayed generalization. We conducted experiments across seven numerical tasks (primarily modular arithmetic) using a modern…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2025-04-23 Amund Tveit , Bjørn Remseth , Arve Skogvold

A central question in modern deep learning is how to design optimizers whose behavior remains stable as the network width $w$ increases. We address this question by interpreting several widely used neural-network optimizers, including…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-03-11 Ruihan Xu , Jiajin Li , Yiping Lu

Many optimizers can be interpreted as steepest-descent methods under norm-induced geometries, and thus inherit corresponding implicit biases. We introduce \nameA{} (\fullname{}), which combines spectral control from orthogonalized update…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-02-10 Zixiao Wang , Yifei Shen , Huishuai Zhang

We analyze cumulative parameter trajectories of transformer training under AdamW and identify a dominant low-dimensional drift direction ("backbone") that captures 60--80% of long-horizon displacement from initialization. This direction is…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-03-20 Yongzhong Xu

We present a class of novel optimisers for training neural networks that makes use of the Riemannian metric naturally induced when the loss landscape is embedded in higher-dimensional space. This is the same metric that underlies common…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2025-09-05 Thomas R. Harvey

The Muon optimizer is consistently faster than Adam in training Large Language Models (LLMs), yet the mechanism underlying its success remains unclear. This paper demystifies this mechanism through the lens of associative memory. By…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2025-10-07 Shuche Wang , Fengzhuo Zhang , Jiaxiang Li , Cunxiao Du , Chao Du , Tianyu Pang , Zhuoran Yang , Mingyi Hong , Vincent Y. F. Tan

The Muon optimizer, based on matrix orthogonalization, has recently shown faster convergence and better computational efficiency over AdamW in LLM pre-training. However, the memory overhead of maintaining high-precision optimizer states…

In LLM training, normalization layers and optimizers are typically treated as independent design choices. In a 3x2 factorial at 1B parameters and 1000 training steps, we show this assumption can fail: Dynamic Erf (Derf; Chen & Liu, 2025)…

Artificial Intelligence · Computer Science 2026-04-03 Abdelrahman Abouzeid

AdamW has become one of the most effective optimizers for training large-scale models. We have also observed its effectiveness in the context of federated learning (FL). However, directly applying AdamW in federated learning settings poses…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-04-21 Junkang Liu , Fanhua Shang , Hongying Liu , Yuxuan Tian , Yuanyuan Liu , Jin Liu , Kewen Zhu , Zhouchen Lin

Mode collapse remains a fundamental challenge in training generative adversarial networks (GANs). While existing works have primarily focused on inter-mode collapse, such as mode dropping, intra-mode collapse-where many latent variables map…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-04-23 Kuan-Yu Lin , Yu-Chih Huang , Tie Liu

The choice of optimizer significantly impacts the training efficiency and computational costs of large language models (LLMs). Recently, the Muon optimizer has demonstrated promising results by orthogonalizing parameter updates, improving…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2025-10-08 Zichong Li , Liming Liu , Chen Liang , Weizhu Chen , Tuo Zhao

For a long period of time, Adam has served as the ubiquitous default choice for training deep neural networks. Recently, many new optimizers have been introduced, out of which Muon has perhaps gained the highest popularity due to its…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-03-03 Sara Dragutinović , Rajesh Ranganath

MLP is a heavily used backbone in modern deep learning (DL) architectures for supervised learning on tabular data, and AdamW is the go-to optimizer used to train tabular DL models. Unlike architecture design, however, the choice of…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-04-20 Yury Gorishniy , Ivan Rubachev , Dmitrii Feoktistov , Artem Babenko

DiLoCo is a powerful framework for training large language models (LLMs), enabling larger optimal batch sizes and increased accelerator utilization under networking constraints. However, DiLoCo's performance has been shown to degrade as the…

Machine Learning · Computer Science 2026-02-26 Benjamin Thérien , Xiaolong Huang , Aaron Defazio , Irina Rish , Eugene Belilovsky

In large-scale optimization, the cheapness and effectiveness of update steps are the most crucial factors for a successful optimizer. Sign-based optimizers like Lion or Signum produce cheap per-step updates, whereas Muon's spectral…

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