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There has been much interest on constructing models which are not isomorphic of cardinality lambda but are equivalent under the Ehrenfeucht-Fraisse game of length alpha even for every alpha<lambda. So under G.C.H. we know much. We deal here…

Logic · Mathematics 2007-05-23 Saharon Shelah

We prove that it is relatively consistent with ZF + CH that there exist two models of cardinality \aleph_2 such that the second player has a winning strategy in the Ehrenfeucht-Fra\"iss\'e-game of length \omega_1 but there is no…

Logic · Mathematics 2013-08-02 Saharon Shelah , Jouko Väänänen , Boban Velickovic

We prove the existence of pairs of models of the same cardinality lambda which are very equivalent according to EF games, but not isomorphic. We continue the paper math.LO/0404222, but we don't rely on it.

Logic · Mathematics 2007-05-23 Chanoch Havlin , Saharon Shelah

Let (A) and (B) be two first order structures of the same vocabulary. We shall consider the Ehrenfeucht-Fra{i}sse-game of length omega_1 of A and B which we denote by G_{omega_1}(A,B). This game is like the ordinary Ehrenfeucht-Fraisse-game…

Logic · Mathematics 2009-09-25 Alan H. Mekler , Saharon Shelah , Jouko Väänänen

Let A and B be two first order structures of the same relational vocabulary L. The Ehrenfeucht-Fraisse-game of length gamma of A and B denoted by EFG_gamma(A,B) is defined as follows: There are two players called for all and exists. First…

Logic · Mathematics 2007-05-23 Tapani Hyttinen , Saharon Shelah , Jouko Väänänen

We define a version of the Ehrenfeucht-Fra\"iss\'e game in the setting of metric model theory and continuous first-order logic and show that the second player having a winning strategy in a game of length $n$ exactly corresponds to being…

Logic · Mathematics 2024-04-26 Åsa Hirvonen , Joni Puljujärvi

Our "long term and large scale" aim is to characterize the first order theories T (at least the countable ones) such that: for every ordinal alpha there lambda,M_1,M_2 such that M_1,M_2 are non-isomorphic models of T of cardinality lambda…

Logic · Mathematics 2017-08-08 Saharon Shelah

We strengthen non-structure theorems for almost free Abelian groups by studying long Ehrenfeucht-Fraisse games between a fixed group of cardinality lambda and a free Abelian group. A group is called epsilon-game-free if the isomorphism…

Logic · Mathematics 2007-05-23 Saharon Shelah , Pauli Väisänen

We introduce two new model comparison games that characterize separability by first-order formulas with generalized quantifiers. One is built on the Ehrenfeucht-Fra\"iss\'e game and the other is a formula-size game.

Logic · Mathematics 2026-05-21 Antti Kuusisto , Miguel Moreno , Matias Selin

Two structures $A$ and $B$ are $n$-equivalent if player II has a winning strategy in the $n$-move Ehrenfeucht-Fra\"iss\'e game on $A$ and $B$. In earlier papers we studied $n$-equivalence classes of ordinals and coloured ordinals. In this…

Logic · Mathematics 2018-01-03 Feresiano Mwesigye , John K. Truss

We prove that if ZF is consistent then ZFC+GCH is consistent with the following statement: There is for every k<omega a model of cardinality aleph_1 which is L_{infty,omega_1}-equivalent to exactly k non-isomorphic models of cardinality…

Logic · Mathematics 2007-05-23 Saharon Shelah , Pauli Vaisanen

Ehrenfeucht-Fraisse games are very useful in studying separation and equivalence results in logic. The standard finite Ehrenfeucht-Fraisse game characterizes equivalence in first order logic. The standard Ehrenfeucht-Fraisse game in…

Logic · Mathematics 2012-12-04 Jouko Väänänen , Tong Wang

Two structures A and B are n-equivalent if player II has a winning strategy in the n-move Ehrenfeucht-Fraisse game on A and B. We extend earlier results about n-equivalence for finite coloured linear orders, describing an algorithm for…

Logic · Mathematics 2017-05-15 Feresiano Mwesigye , John K Truss

We study first-order as well as infinitary logics extended with quantifiers closed upwards under embeddings. In particular, we show that if a chain of quasi-homogeneous structures is sufficiently long then a given formula of such a logic is…

Logic · Mathematics 2014-07-04 Jevgeni Haigora , Kerkko Luosto

Combinatorial games played between two players, called Spoiler and Duplicator, have often been used to capture syntactic properties of formal logical languages. For instance, the widely used Ehrenfeucht-Fra\"iss\'e (EF) game captures the…

Logic in Computer Science · Computer Science 2025-08-01 Ronald Fagin , Neil Immerman , Phokion Kolaitis , Jonathan Lenchner , Rik Sengupta

Let $f: M \to M$ be a $C^{1+\theta}$-partially hyperbolic diffeomorphism. We introduce a type of modified Schmidt games which is induced by $f$ and played on any unstable manifold. Utilizing it we generalize some results of \cite{Wu} as…

Dynamical Systems · Mathematics 2015-04-14 Weisheng Wu

Fragments of first-order logic over words can often be characterized in terms of finite monoids or finite semigroups. Usually these algebraic descriptions yield decidability of the question whether a given regular language is definable in a…

Formal Languages and Automata Theory · Computer Science 2013-10-14 Martin Huschenbett , Manfred Kufleitner

We combine the ideas of edge coloring games and asymmetric graph coloring games and define the \emph{$(m,1)$-edge coloring game}, which is alternatively played by two players Maker and Breaker on a finite simple graph $G$ with a set of…

Combinatorics · Mathematics 2025-02-18 Runze Wang

We introduce a refinement of the usual Ehrenfeucht-Fra\"{\i}ss\'e game. The new game will help us make finer distinctions than the traditional one. In particular, it can be used to measure the size formulas needed for expressing a given…

Logic · Mathematics 2012-08-24 Lauri Hella , Jouko Väänänen

We use Ehrenfeucht-Fra\"iss\'e games to give a local geometric criterion for elementary equivalence of II$_1$ factors. We obtain as a corollary that two II$_1$ factors are elementarily equivalent if and only their unitary groups are…

Logic · Mathematics 2016-01-20 Isaac Goldbring , Thomas Sinclair
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