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A Lower Bound for the Hanf Number for Joint Embedding

Logic 2022-01-06 v2

Abstract

In [13] the authors show that if μ\mu is a strongly compact cardinal, KK is an Abstract Elementary Class (AEC) with LS(K)<μLS(K)<\mu, and KK satisfies joint embedding (amalgamation) cofinally below μ\mu, then KK satisfies joint embedding (amalgamation) in all cardinals μ\ge \mu. The question was raised if the strongly compact upper bound was optimal. In this paper we prove the existence of an AEC KK that can be axiomatized by an Lω1,ω\mathcal{L}_{\omega_1,\omega}-sentence in a countable vocabulary, so that if μ\mu is the first measurable cardinal, then (1) KK satisfies joint embedding cofinally below μ\mu ; (2) KK fails joint embedding cofinally below μ\mu; and (3) KK satisfies joint embedding above μ\mu. Moreover, the example can be generalized to an AEC KχK^\chi axiomatized in Lχ+,ω\mathcal{L}_{\chi^+, \omega}, in a vocabulary of size χ\chi, such that (1)-(3) hold with μ\mu being the first measurable above χ\chi. This proves that the Hanf number for joint embedding is contained in the interval between the first measurable and the first strongly compact. Since these two cardinals can consistently coincide, the upper bound from [13] is consistently optimal. This is also the first example of a sentence whose joint embedding spectrum is (consistently) neither an initial nor an eventual interval of cardinals. By Theorem 3.26, it is consistent that for any club CC on the first measurable μ\mu, JEP holds exactly on limC\lim C and everywhere above μ\mu.

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@article{arxiv.1808.03017,
  title  = {A Lower Bound for the Hanf Number for Joint Embedding},
  author = {Will Boney and Ioannis Souldatos},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:1808.03017},
  year   = {2022}
}

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