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Optimal Syntactic Definitions of Back-and-Forth Types

Logic 2025-12-08 v2

Abstract

The back-and-forth relations MαNM\leq_\alpha N are central to computable structure theory and countable model theory. It is well-known that the relation {(M,N):MαN}\{(M,N) : M \leq_\alpha N\} is (lightface) Π2α0\Pi^0_{2\alpha}. We show that this is optimal as the set is Π2α0\mathbf{\Pi}^0_{2\alpha}-complete. We are also interested in the one-sided relations {N:MαN}\{ N : M \leq_\alpha N\} and {N:MαN}\{ N : M \geq_\alpha N\} for a fixed MM, measuring the Πα\Pi_\alpha and Σα\Sigma_\alpha types of MM. We show that these sets are always Πα+20\mathbf{\Pi}^0_{\alpha + 2} and Πα+30\mathbf{\Pi}^0_{\alpha+3} respectively, and that for most α\alpha there are structures MM for which these relations are complete at that level. In particular, there are structures MM such that there is no Πα\Pi_\alpha (or even Πα+1)\Pi_{\alpha+1}) sentence φ\varphi such that NφMαNN \models \varphi \Longleftrightarrow M \leq_\alpha N. This is unfortunate as not all Πα+2\Pi_{\alpha+2} sentences are preserved under α\leq_\alpha. We define a new hierarchy of syntactic complexity closely related to the back-and-forth game, which can both define the back-and-forth types as well as be preserved by them. These hierarchies of formulas have already been useful in certain Henkin constructions, one of which we give in this paper, and another previously used by Gonzalez and Harrison-Trainor to show that every Πα\Pi_\alpha theory of linear orders has a model with Scott rank at most α+3\alpha+3.

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@article{arxiv.2505.00893,
  title  = {Optimal Syntactic Definitions of Back-and-Forth Types},
  author = {Ruiyuan Chen and David Gonzalez and Matthew Harrison-Trainor},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:2505.00893},
  year   = {2025}
}

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32 pages

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