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Tree-derived ideals: Fubini iterations, limit amalgamations, and Katetov obstructions

Logic 2026-07-18 v1

Abstract

We develop a machinery for deriving ideals on a countable set from a partition of ω\omega indexed by ω<ω\omega^{<\omega}. A derivative operator on trace trees, parametrized by an auxiliary ideal J\mathcal J, yields a strict transfinite hierarchy HαJ\mathcal H^{\mathcal J}_\alpha of proper ideals, tall from level one onward and independent of the chosen partition. Its finite levels are exactly the Fubini powers, HnFin(n+1)\mathcal H_n\cong\mathrm{Fin}^{\otimes(n+1)}, while Hω=nHn\mathcal H_\omega=\bigcup_n\mathcal H_n amalgamates all finite powers. We establish presentation independence, local homogeneity, Fubini recursion, and Π11\Pi^1_1-completeness of the full hierarchy. Let Fω\mathcal F_\omega be Kwela's canonical inductive limit and Fω\mathcal F'_\omega his independent-partitions limit. We prove Fω̸KHω\mathcal F_\omega\not\leq_K\mathcal H_\omega, although FωHω\mathcal F'_\omega\sqsubseteq\mathcal H_\omega and every finite coherent fragment of a putative reduction is realizable over Hω\mathcal H_\omega. The proof introduces essential depth, an invariant monotone along Katetov reductions of FinFin\mathrm{Fin}\otimes\mathrm{Fin}, and gives the sharp non-extension bound N(m)=m+2N(m)=m+2. Thus Hω\mathcal H_\omega contains no isomorphic copy of Fω\mathcal F_\omega, and Fω̸KFω\mathcal F_\omega\not\leq_K\mathcal F'_\omega. Applications include chromatic ideals GkH2H1\mathcal G_k\in\mathcal H_2\setminus\mathcal H_1 whose inclusion order records divisibility and whose Katetov order records arithmetic. We also prove the orthogonality of Cantor--Bendixson and derivative ranks. Finally, P(ω)/H\mathcal P(\omega)/\mathcal H is a σ\sigma-closed reduced power BBω/Fin\mathbb B\cong\mathbb B^\omega/\mathrm{Fin}, contains P(ω)/Fin\mathcal P(\omega)/\mathrm{Fin} regularly, and under CH is forcing-equivalent to (P(ω)/Fin)+(\mathcal P(\omega)/\mathrm{Fin})^+.

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@article{arxiv.2607.16572,
  title  = {Tree-derived ideals: Fubini iterations, limit amalgamations, and Katetov obstructions},
  author = {José de Jesús Pelayo Gómez},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:2607.16572},
  year   = {2026}
}

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