The Challenge of Teaching Reasoning to LLMs Without RL or Distillation
Abstract
Reasoning-capable language models achieve state-of-the-art performance in diverse complex tasks by generating long, explicit Chain-of-Thought (CoT) traces. While recent works show that base models can acquire such reasoning traces via reinforcement learning or distillation from stronger models like DeepSeek-R1, previous works demonstrate that even short CoT prompting without fine-tuning is able to improve reasoning. We ask whether long CoT can be induced in a base model using only prompting or minimal tuning. Using just 20 long CoT examples from the reasoning model \texttt{QwQ-32B-Preview}, we lightly fine-tune the base model \texttt{Qwen2.5-32B}. The resulting model outperforms the much larger \texttt{Qwen2.5-Math-72B-Instruct}, showing that a handful of high-quality examples can unlock strong reasoning capabilities. We further explore using CoT data from non-reasoning models and human annotators, enhanced with prompt engineering, multi-pass editing, and structural guidance. However, neither matches the performance of reasoning model traces, suggesting that certain latent qualities of expert CoT are difficult to replicate. We analyze key properties of reasoning data, such as problem difficulty, diversity, and answer length, that influence reasoning distillation. While challenges remain, we are optimistic that carefully curated human-written CoT, even in small quantities, can activate reasoning behaviors in base models. We release our human-authored dataset across refinement stages and invite further investigation into what makes small-scale reasoning supervision so effective.
Cite
@article{arxiv.2507.09850,
title = {The Challenge of Teaching Reasoning to LLMs Without RL or Distillation},
author = {Wei Du and Branislav Kisacanin and George Armstrong and Shubham Toshniwal and Ivan Moshkov and Alexan Ayrapetyan and Sadegh Mahdavi and Dan Zhao and Shizhe Diao and Dragan Masulovic and Marius Stanean and Advaith Avadhanam and Max Wang and Ashmit Dutta and Shitij Govil and Sri Yanamandara and Mihir Tandon and Sriram Ananthakrishnan and Vedant Rathi and David Zhang and Joonseok Kang and Leon Luo and Titu Andreescu and Boris Ginsburg and Igor Gitman},
journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:2507.09850},
year = {2025}
}
Comments
Accepted at the Second AI for Math Workshop at the 42nd International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML 2025)