English

Some applications of the real strict order property hierarchy

Logic 2026-06-27 v1

Abstract

We give applications of the properties NSOPr\mathrm{NSOP}_{r} for non-integer values of rr to problems on the original hierarchy NSOPn\mathrm{NSOP}_{n} for integer values of nn. We first show that the properties NSOPr\mathrm{NSOP}_{r}, previously defined for real values r3r \geq 3, are even well-defined for real values r2r \geq 2, showing that NSOP2NSOPr\mathrm{NSOP}_{2} \subseteq \mathrm{NSOP}_{r} for our original definition of NSOPr\mathrm{NSOP}_{r} even when 2<r<32 < r < 3. As a consequence, newness of all of the well-defined properties NSOPr\mathrm{NSOP}_{r} for non-integer rr would negatively resolve the problem of whether NSOP2\mathrm{NSOP}_{2} is equal to NSOP3\mathrm{NSOP}_{3}. We then prove an approximate alternative between two possibilities: (1) that in extending Shelah's original NSOPn\mathrm{NSOP}_{n} hierarchy for integers n3n \geq 3 to the NSOPr\mathrm{NSOP}_{r} hierarchy for reals r>2r > 2, we really did introduce new classification-theoretic properties, and (2) that NSOPn+1NTP2=NSOPnNTP2\mathrm{NSOP}_{n+1} \cap \mathrm{NTP}_{2} = \mathrm{NSOP}_{n} \cap \mathrm{NTP}_{2} for integers n3n \geq 3, which would resolve a central open problem in classification theory. More precisely, we give a rigorous sense in which (1) can fail on particularly general grounds, and then show that if (1) fails for these general reasons, (2) must be true. Finally, we apply cycle-removal techniques from the theory of the properties NSOPr\mathrm{NSOP}_{r} for real-values of rr to make progress on the question of whether NSOP2\mathrm{NSOP}_{2} is equal to NSOP3\mathrm{NSOP}_{3}. We (a) show that if H\mathcal{H} is a hereditary class of structures defined by finitely many forbidden weakly embedded substructures, if every theory whose models have age H\mathcal{H} has SOP2\mathrm{SOP}_{2}, then every theory whose models have age H\mathcal{H} has SOP3\mathrm{SOP}_{3}, and (b) observe that we cannot replace SOP2\mathrm{SOP}_{2} with TP\mathrm{TP} here.

Keywords

Cite

@article{arxiv.2606.28740,
  title  = {Some applications of the real strict order property hierarchy},
  author = {Scott Mutchnik},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:2606.28740},
  year   = {2026}
}

Comments

74 pages, two sidebars, one appendix