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On groups with definable $f$-generics definable in $p$-adically closed fields

Logic 2023-02-13 v2

Abstract

The aim of this paper is to develop the theory of groups definable in the pp-adic field Qp{\mathbb Q}_p, with ``definable ff-generics" in the sense of an ambient saturated elementary extension of Qp{\mathbb Q}_p. We call such groups definable ff-generic groups. So, by a ``definable f-generic'' or dfg group we mean a definable group in a saturated model with a global f-generic type which is definable over a small model. In the present context the group is definable over Qp{\mathbb Q}_p, and the small model will be Qp{\mathbb Q}_p itself. The notion of a dfg group is dual, or rather opposite to that of an fsg group (group with ``finitely satisfiable generics") and is a useful tool to describe the analogue of torsion free o-minimal groups in the pp-adic context. In the current paper our group will be definable over Qp{\mathbb Q}_p in an ambient saturated elementary extension K\mathbb K of Qp{\mathbb Q}_p, so as to make sense of the notions of ff-generic etc. In this paper we will show that every definable ff-generic group definable in Qp{\mathbb Q}_p is virtually isomorphic to a finite index subgroup of a trigonalizable algebraic group over Qp{\mathbb Q}_p. This is analogous to the oo-minimal context, where every connected torsion free group definable in R\mathbb R is isomorphic to a trigonalizable algebraic group (Lemma 3.4, \cite{COS}). We will also show that every open definable ff-generic subgroup of a definable ff-generic group has finite index, and every ff-generic type of a definable ff-generic group is almost periodic, which gives a positive answer to the problem raised in \cite{P-Y} of whether ff-generic types coincide with almost periodic types in the pp-adic case.

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@article{arxiv.1911.01833,
  title  = {On groups with definable $f$-generics definable in $p$-adically closed fields},
  author = {Anand Pillay and Ningyuan Yao},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:1911.01833},
  year   = {2023}
}

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arXiv admin note: text overlap with arXiv:1901.09508

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