English

Monotone hulls for N cap M

Logic 2014-07-18 v2

Abstract

Using the method of decisive creatures (math.LO/0601083) we show the consistency of "there is no increasing omega_2 --chain of Borel sets and non(N)=non(M)= omega_2=2^omega". Hence, consistently, there are no monotone hulls for the ideal M cap N . This answers Balcerzak and Filipczak. Next we use FS iteration with partial memory to show that there may be monotone Borel hulls for the ideals M, N even if they are not generated by towers.

Cite

@article{arxiv.1007.5368,
  title  = {Monotone hulls for N cap M},
  author = {Andrzej Roslanowski and Saharon Shelah},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:1007.5368},
  year   = {2014}
}
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