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Inductive limits of ideals

Logic 2025-01-06 v2 General Topology

Abstract

G. Debs and J. Saint Raymond in 2009 defined the Borel separation rank of an analytic ideal I\mathcal{I} (rk(I)\text{rk}(\mathcal{I})) as minimal ordinal α<ω1\alpha<\omega_{1} such that there is SΣ1+α0\mathcal{S}\in\bf{\Sigma^0_{1+\alpha}} with IS\mathcal{I}\subseteq \mathcal{S} and IS=\mathcal{I}^\star\cap \mathcal{S}=\emptyset, where I\mathcal{I}^\star is the filter dual to the ideal I\mathcal{I} (actually, the authors use the dual notion of filters instead of ideals). Moreover, they introduced ideals Finα\text{Fin}_\alpha, for all α<ω1\alpha<\omega_1, and conjectured that rk(I)α\text{rk}(\mathcal{I})\geq\alpha if and only if I\mathcal{I} contains an isomorphic copy of Finα\text{Fin}_\alpha (FinαI\text{Fin}_\alpha\sqsubseteq\mathcal{I}). To define Finα\text{Fin}_\alpha in the case of limit ordinals 0<α<ω10<\alpha<\omega_1, G. Debs and J. Saint Raymond introduced inductive limits of ideals. We show that the above conjecture is false in the case of α=ω\alpha=\omega by constructing an ideal Finω\text{Fin}'_\omega of rank ω\omega such that Finω⋢Finω\text{Fin}_\omega\not\sqsubseteq\text{Fin}'_\omega. However, we show that FinωI\text{Fin}'_\omega\sqsubseteq\mathcal{I} is equivalent to nωFinnI\forall_{n\in\omega}\text{Fin}_n\sqsubseteq\mathcal{I}. We discuss (indicated by the above result) possible modification of the original conjecture for limit ordinals.

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@article{arxiv.2103.17169,
  title  = {Inductive limits of ideals},
  author = {Adam Kwela},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:2103.17169},
  year   = {2025}
}
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