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Generating ideals by additive subgroups of rings

Logic 2025-12-04 v2 Rings and Algebras

Abstract

We obtain several fundamental results on finite index ideals and additive subgroups of rings as well as on model-theoretic connected components of rings, which concern generating in finitely many steps inside additive groups of rings. Let RR be any ring equipped with an arbitrary additional first order structure, and AA a set of parameters. We show that whenever HH is an AA-definable, finite index subgroup of (R,+)(R,+), then H+RHH+RH contains an AA-definable, two-sided ideal of finite index. As a corollary, we positively answer Question 3.9 of [Bohr compactifications of groups and rings, J. Gismatullin, G. Jagiella and K. Krupi\'nski]: if RR is unital, then (Rˉ,+)A00+Rˉ(Rˉ,+)A00+Rˉ(Rˉ,+)A00=RˉA00(\bar R,+)^{00}_A + \bar R \cdot (\bar R,+)^{00}_A + \bar R \cdot (\bar R,+)^{00}_A = \bar R^{00}_A, where RˉR\bar R \succ R is a sufficiently saturated elementary extension of RR, and (Rˉ,+)A00(\bar R,+)^{00}_A [resp. RˉA00\bar R^{00}_A] is the smallest AA-type-definable, bounded index additive subgroup [resp. ideal] of Rˉ\bar R. This implies that RˉA00=RˉA000\bar R^{00}_A=\bar R^{000}_A, where RˉA000\bar R^{000}_A is the smallest invariant over AA, bounded index ideal of Rˉ\bar R. If RR is of finite characteristic (not necessarily unital), we get a sharper result: (Rˉ,+)A00+Rˉ(Rˉ,+)A00=RˉA00(\bar R,+)^{00}_A + \bar R \cdot (\bar R,+)^{00}_A = \bar R^{00}_A. We obtain similar results for finitely generated (not necessarily unital) rings and for topological rings. The above results imply that the simplified descriptions of the definable (so also classical) Bohr compactifications of triangular groups over unital rings obtained in Corollary 3.5 of the aforementioned paper are valid for all unital rings. We analyze many examples, where we compute the number of steps needed to generate a group by (Rˉ{1})(Rˉ,+)A00(\bar R \cup \{1\}) \cdot (\bar R,+)^{00}_A and study related aspects, showing "optimality" of some of our main results and answering some natural questions.

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@article{arxiv.2012.04389,
  title  = {Generating ideals by additive subgroups of rings},
  author = {Krzysztof Krupiński and Tomasz Rzepecki},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:2012.04389},
  year   = {2025}
}

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25 pages

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