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First-order recognisability in finite and pseudofinite groups

Group Theory 2021-05-11 v2 Logic

Abstract

It is known that there exists a first-order sentence that holds in a finite group if and only if the group is soluble. Here it is shown that the corresponding statements with 'solubility' replaced by 'nilpotence' and 'perfectness', among others, are false. These facts present difficulties for the study of pseudofinite groups. However, a very weak form of Frattini's theorem on the nilpotence of the Frattini subgroup of a finite group is proved for pseudofinite groups.

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@article{arxiv.1911.01976,
  title  = {First-order recognisability in finite and pseudofinite groups},
  author = {Yves Cornulier and John S. Wilson},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:1911.01976},
  year   = {2021}
}

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18 pages (v2: Proposition 5.1 added)

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