English

Elementarity of Subgroups and Complexity of Theories for Profinite Groups

Logic 2025-08-08 v2

Abstract

Although SS_\infty (the group of all permutations of N\mathbb{N}) is size continuum, both it and its closed subgroups can be presented as the set of paths through a countable tree. The subgroups of SS_\infty that can be presented this way with finite branching trees are exactly the profinite ones. We use these tree presentations to find upper bounds on the complexity of the existential theories of profinite subgroups of SS_\infty, as well as to prove sharpness for these bounds. These complexity results enable us to distinguish a simple subclass of profinite groups, those with \emph{orbit independence}, for which we find an upper bound on the complexity of the entire first order theory. Additionally, given a profinite subgroup GG of SS_\infty and a Turing ideal II we define GIG_I to be the set of elements in GG whose Turing degree lies in II. We examine to what extent and under what conditions GIG_I will be an elementary subgroup of GG. In particular, we construct a profinite group whose subgroup of computable elements is not elementary even for existential formulas.

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@article{arxiv.2405.00840,
  title  = {Elementarity of Subgroups and Complexity of Theories for Profinite Groups},
  author = {Jason Block},
  journal= {arXiv preprint arXiv:2405.00840},
  year   = {2025}
}

Comments

Accepted to appear in Computability (ISSN 2211-3568)